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June 11, 2009

看到月光博客的这篇“绿坝花季护航”导致华人世界的分裂”,里面提到:

然而,我通过代理服务器看了一些国外华人论坛对“绿坝”的讨论,竟有不少海外华人支持“绿坝”,这的确让我感到很震惊,同是华人,为什么观点相差这么大呢?  我感到非常奇怪的是,这些海外华人为什么自私和无耻到了这种地步?

胆道闭锁: 这些海外华人,都是些什么人:贪~官子女家属,他们是既得利益集团的一份子,他们就是要鱼肉百姓,自己在国外过快乐的日子,他们当然支持这个制度。

白小刺: 不得不承认,中国政府这几年搞奥运神7等形象工程为海外华人挣了个小脸,他们一直被打压的自尊似乎有所舒展,所以自然会为政府的一些行为辩护。在他们的逻 辑里,谁给他骨头,他们就给谁摇尾巴,他们并不去追究这骨头沾满血泪,他们身居自由国度,精神世界里依然充满镣铐

嗯,作为海外华人的一员,我居然也能当官了?我说这几天怎么这么冷呢,原来要下雪啊。

要说这个事情其实也没那么复杂,不用到twitter上面去推,身边做个实验就行:找你最亲的人,比如老公/老婆,男女朋友,然后到邻居面前,当着大家的面啐她/他一口,说:你丫昨天晚上又放屁了!来,大家一起啐!看看结果怎么样。

没错,你猜对了,我说的,就是中国人好面子这个事儿。

象我这种没背景的人,在海外华人里还是多数,绿坝这种事情,我们自己还不知道,周围的老师同学同事先知道了,然后就来问,一脸的似笑非笑,也不知道是笑政府,还是连我们华人一锅都烩了。我们怎么办?跟他们一起啐政府?可是这是我们家里的事情啊,豆腐掉在灰里啊同学们!

要说去年闹奥运的时候,加州旧金山的那群给火炬助威的华人,还有后来老和尚到西雅图,去抗议的人,我都有接触,地震的时候,我跟同事也在公司里搞宣讲和募捐。我私下了解的,还有我自己的意愿,我们更多的,是为了自己是一个中国人而做这件事情。

作为俩娃的爹,我知道一件事情:打是亲,骂是爱。但是,不要当着外人骂孩子,外人的话,听一半,漏一半。

哦对了,我跟海外混了这么几年,别的没学会什么,倒是看出了美国的一个优点,就是有事情大家谈判,漫天要价,坐地还钱,下次还有生意做。如果光顾着挑逗一方斗一方,比较伤人品。这年头,攒点人品不容易。

16 Comments »

  1. [...] 美人她爹:我也当一回官?; [...]

    Pingback by 4170万元天价的绿坝很值 | Time to Say Goodbye! — June 12, 2009 @ 2:10 am


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    针对本文发表了些不同看法,敬请指正:
    http://youping.cn/archives/71

    Comment by Youping — June 12, 2009 @ 2:11 am

  3. 楼上的,我可从没说过这个绿坝是对的

    Comment by 美人她爹 — June 12, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

  4. 楼主的逻辑是:
    国内政府做了件不靠谱的事。
    国人反对的占多数。请看http://www.lssw365.org/和绿坝 官网的投票。
    外国人也觉得不靠谱。
    楼主觉得外国人说国内政府不靠谱,心里就难受了。
    这时候,已经不是针对绿坝这件事了,而是楼主觉得,外国人说中国政府不好,就是说中国不好,自己就很没面子了。
    但是事情不靠谱就是不靠谱,硬着头皮为他辩护,你就真的找回面子了?
    你还把政府当做你的孩子?人家可是公仆,你只是个p民。

    Comment by marbling — June 12, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

  5. 4楼的,接着说。我挖坑累了,歇会儿,等你们意见都表达清楚了,我再接着写。

    Comment by 美人她爹 — June 12, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

  6. 看了,感觉有点恶心。不知道你是不是反讽,或者把第三人称写成了第一人称。

    你应该明白一件事。唾中国政府,不等于唾你,更不等于唾中国。当你听到老外唾秦朝政府,汉朝政府……明政府,清政府,国府时,不知道你会不会感觉不舒服,如果不会,那么当你听到老外唾中国人民共和国政府时也不应该感觉不舒服。对不对?真希望你是开玩笑写的这个文章。

    Comment by xiaozhang — June 13, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

  7. 不用争辩了,请博主自己一家都装上绿呗吧,先恭喜博主了!

    Comment by 站着说话 — June 13, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

  8. to xiaozhang:

    不知道你注意到了没有,你的评论,三行字里面,用到了两次“应该”。

    告诉别人“应该怎样想怎样做”,听起来是不是有点像政治老师?

    我前面那篇404的文章,在google搜索”绿坝.花季护航”,排名第三,也被keso收录,几天就有90多回复。我如果顺水推舟,跟着大家骂绿坝,给自己攒名气,不是更容易?就算我不骂,闭嘴也可以,如果我是5毛,也应该知道避风头,对不对?

    但是,今天我们打倒一个绿坝,明天出来一个黄霸,后天来了一个红霸,多好玩 - 各个关系户都有了钱,我们网民有了乐子,各大网站有了流量。

    我们除了打倒打倒再打倒,有没有一个理性的办法来预防这种事情?如果要找一个理性的方法,那么需要的是理性的思考,把各个利益集团都考虑进去,而不是简单的谩骂,更不是让大家跟着某一种种想法去走 - 每个人都要有自己的思考,自己的贡献。

    如果能找到这么一种方法,我被人误解,被人骂,又有什么?

    Comment by 美人她爹 — June 14, 2009 @ 8:24 am

  9. 本质上说,楼主之类的海外华人爱国是爱的很自私自利的。这也没什么,逐利性是人的自然属性,很多问题的解决都必须以承认这种逐利性为前提,而非一味强调虚无的道德理想。
    不过,如果已经了解国内各种活生生的现实,还能很坦然的维护这个伟大的祖国,不管出于何种目的,恐怕也让人感觉过于冷血了。当然对于更多的没有任何国内社会经验的海外留学生而言,不是冷血而是Too young,too simple。最后对于海外的太子党,我们是不需要去为他们考虑的——因为他们已经很好很强大了。

    Comment by gaoxiao — June 14, 2009 @ 9:32 am

  10. 楼上的,我前几天看到的是用政府这个关键词灌水的,今天又看到用祖国这个关键词灌的,继续继续。

    Comment by 美人她爹 — June 14, 2009 @ 10:08 am

  11. 本来以为你有点见识,才费力在你这里打几个字,现在看来不过尔尔,拜拜!

    Comment by gaoxiao — June 16, 2009 @ 7:43 am

  12. 她爹,我理解你,并支持你。
    不想说祖国人民的坏话,但是海外华人其实是不被祖国人民理解的(说的好像太绝对了)海外华人的生活实态是不太被了解的。
    在和外国人交往的过程中我们其实是有压力的,因为我们背负了太多责任。(说不定这只是我的个人经验,我时刻都会提醒自己,我对自己说:我也是中国的脸,我不要我的行为被外国人挑出毛病,被人家指着脊梁骨说原来中国人※%¥#¥%,我们都坚强的挺着脊梁骨做人,但很悲哀有太多时候我们得到外国人理解的时候,却失去了同胞们的理解与支持)

    我在日本留学,家里没有丝毫背景,必须过着一边上学一边打工的生活,我在各种场合都非常注意自己的言行,很高兴经常有人对我说,认识你之前我一点都不喜欢中国人,我认为我做到了。起码我能改变几个人对中国的印象,虽然只有几个人。

    但是经常会有一些各种各样的不认识的爱国人士在qq上加我,知道我在日本留学后一上来就是一顿批评教育。我有的时候会对他们说日本也有很多很友善的人,他们完全没有敌意,于是我就会被骂忘本。

    更多的时候,在与同胞们沟通上我选择了放弃,很无奈的放弃,我只能选择在日本继续自强的生活。我想去做些什么让一味只是批评我的人改变想法,但是我没有力量,也注定不会被理解。

    请你继续写下去,哪怕只能改变一个人的想法,哪怕只能让一个人静下心来思考,你的文字就有存在的价值。

    Comment by xiaoxi — June 16, 2009 @ 11:26 am

  13. xiaoxi:
    谢谢

    Comment by 美人她爹 — June 16, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

  14. to xiaoxi 你们这些海外“中国人”,需要的是可以给你们带来荣誉感和作为心理后盾的“国”,至于这荣誉感祖究竟建立在祖国的何种现实之上,尤其是其中的多数“人”又究竟生活在何种状态下,对你们而言是不重要的,或者说是放在第二位的。一旦实际的“人”和虚无的“国”有冲突了,你们多是选择维护国而非其中的人,因为国有利而人却有弊。
    你们因为热爱伟大祖国,而对孙志刚沉默,对黑砖窑的奴工沉默、对邓玉娇沉默……; 所以请你们继续热爱你们的伟大祖国吧,但是不要再谈什么人了,因为你们不配。

    Comment by gaoxiao — June 17, 2009 @ 1:28 am

  15. to楼主,想来想去,总觉得有些话没说到位,不舒服。再细看一下你的帖子才发现,原来对你而言,国内民众所遭受的种种困顿甚至于苦难,都和放屁一样。看来虽然你没当官,其内心却和视百姓为屁民的当权者没什么两样。唯一的区别在于,他们为了实实在在的黄金白银香车美女,而你们是为了虚无缥缈但却能满足自己心理需要的民族自豪感,这么说来骂你这类人无耻自私根本没什么不对。
    言尽于此!

    Comment by gaoxiao — June 17, 2009 @ 1:38 am

  16. gaoxiao:
    我相信,你虽然说了“言尽于此”,但是你还会回来继续说的,就好像你说了”拜拜”以后又回来了一样。

    Comment by 美人她爹 — June 17, 2009 @ 9:49 am

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